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Both Republican candidate Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama are discussing tax cuts for the "middle class," but both define that as household income of less than $200,000 or $250,000 a year.
On Friday, Romney told ABC's "Good Morning America" that he would not raise taxes on "middle income" taxpayers. George Stephanopolous asked him if "middle income" was $100,000, and he responded, "No, middle income is $200,000 to $250,000 and less."
Obama has proposed keeping the Bush-era tax cuts for everyone making less than $250,000, which he also defines as middle income. But Obama's plan would raise taxes on those making more than $250,000, while Romney's would give higher income earners a tax break, according to the New York Times.
The median — or middle — household income in America is about $50,000, the Census Bureau reported last week. In Maryland, the median household income between 2006 and 2010 was $70,647 according to Census data. Are both Romney and Obama miscalculating when they define middle-income for a family as up to $250,000?
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Michael
12:12 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Maybe it's me that's out of touch, but if $250K is "middle class," I've been very poor my entire life.
Kathy
6:41 am on Friday, September 21, 2012
It is upper middle class to be sure, but someone making $200-$250K is not rich. People in that category work, and most people in that category would be dead broke if out of work for 6 months to a year. My mom used to say when you're rich you don't work for your money, your money works for you. However, here in Maryland our beloved governor just defined "rich" as anyone making over $100K a year, and raised taxes on that group.
David M. Baker
9:49 am on Friday, September 21, 2012
It's a pretty simple answer, really. The median income in the US is around $50k. That means, literally, that the class in the middle averages about $50k/yr.
The fallacy here, however, is that we keep framing this as a matter of class war when in fact it should just be a question of common decency. While one will never become wealthy by counting his or her neighbour's wealth, our nation's (alarmingly increasing) poor population will never be helped out if the wealthy cling mercilessly to theirs.
We are in this together, whether ya like it or not!
-d-
Beth Hardsock
8:47 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
Why can't we all just pay a flat 10%? Why make it difficult?
Buck Harmon
7:49 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Is there a written law~ or statute that specifically requires any private citizen to disclose private property information?
Is there even a specific law that gives the government the authority to demand that anyone file a specific tax reporting form?
I'm not referring to the 16th Amendment to the Constitution either....I need the actual written law that can be identified, understood and clearly read, and that could perhaps be included as a part of the Carroll County education curriculum...
Buck Harmon
7:50 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Do tainted facts still qualify as fact?
Kathy
8:14 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012
I don’t think that there is a specific federal statute that requires disclosure of private information, but the IRS has been given the right to collect taxes and that encompasses the right to collect information about finances. Look, a lot of people think the income tax is illegal and unconstitutional and they assume that if they can only come up with the right legal arguments, the Supreme Court will strike down the tax. (Of course, some of those people are in jail right now). But the income-tax law was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1916 (in the Brushaber case), and in the succeeding 96 years, no Supreme Court has contradicted that holding. We have to face the facts: like it or not, the constitutionally endowed courts have determined that the Constitution empowers the Congress to levy any tax it wants. Reading one’s libertarian values into the Constitution is futile. For better or worse, the Constitution means what the occupants of the relevant constitutional offices say it means. Teaching schoolchildren anything different is doing them a disservice. They need to understand how to work within the system to change the laws that they disagree with--not ignore those laws nor engage in wishful thinking.
Buck Harmon
8:26 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012
So then...what you are saying is that there are no laws that can be specifically identified with regard to my very clear question. And that the courts have reacted to non laws by allowing those that question the legality of income tax to be prosecuted and jailed by the IRS. So then, the courts rule on non law at the expense of private citizens to prove a power point? Sounds more like a kingdom than a republic....
Teaching school children the truth will perhaps improve.. and in time save our failing republic. Why must we continue to dumb down future generations from the truth?
We are experiencing the results of that currently, by the massive amount of public apathy that erodes almost every aspect of freedom.
Buck Harmon
8:29 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Once again...are tainted facts still fact?
Buck Harmon
8:30 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Do the courts have the power to make~or create law?
Buck Harmon
8:28 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Are corrupt courts the rulers of our Country?
Buck Harmon
8:37 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Do elected officials at any level have the authority to identify " class", when engaging in class warfare through illegal taxation?
Buck Harmon
9:36 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Do lawyers profit from the massive corruption throughout the court system?
Kathy
9:52 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012
I'm sure many do, although I haven't been lucky enough.
Kathy
9:55 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Actually, what I do profit from, is getting paid to look up specific laws for clients. If you wish me to do legal research, you can call my office to discuss my hourly rate. But I am not going to spend my Sunday doing so just to respond on Patch. :-)
Buck Harmon
9:55 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Thank you for the honesty Kathy, and I would never have assumed you to have been one of them. I believe that your heart is in the right place all of the time, and that seems rare to me these days.
Buck Harmon
10:02 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Lets make a deal...I'll be happy to pay your rate in double if you can provide me with the specific law that I am seeking....and if not , the effort will be pro bono, and you must teach your children about this effort when you deem the timing to be appropriate.
Should I give you a call tomorrow?
Kathy
10:18 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Buck, that sounds like a good deal--although I am not sure exactly what law you are looking for: "a written law or statute that specifically requires any private citizen to disclose private property information?" that shouldn't be too difficult. "that can be . . . understood and clearly read?" That might be a little more problematic--few tax laws are written that way! But I will look. If you call me tomorrow and let me know what you are looking for, and if it is reasonable-- for example, a federal statute or regulation that requires an individual to disclose information about his/her assets and income, and to file the proper tax form--I will look for it. If I find it, you will pay me double my hourly rate of $180, that is $360 per hour (I will cap the search at 1.4 hours or $500--if I can't find it within that time I will concede that it is too difficult for a layperson to find at all). If I can't find it, it will be pro bono, and I will "publish" my findings here on Patch. If nothing else, at least I will get to meet you, which I have wanted to anyway, as I do believe that you are an intelligent and interesting person.
Kathy
9:14 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Taxation is not a "non-law"--there are federal statutes and regulations that allow taxation; the regulations support the statutes and provide the filing and information requirements. (I just don't know offhand what they are, but if you don't pay your taxes I am sure that you will soon find out exactly what statutes and regulations are at issue.) The Courts don't make laws, but the tax statutes (enacted by Congress which DOES have the right to make laws) have been upheld by the Supreme Court, which has the authority to interpret the laws, and decide if those laws are Constitutional. That is how we make laws in this country. And just because we don't agree with a court's decision doesn't make the court corrupt. (The cry that the Courts are corrupt have been made by millions of people who have lost in court).
And yes, if you don't obey the law, you can be prosecuted and jailed. You can't be prosecuted or jailed just for QUESTIONING the legality of the income tax, only for not obeying that law. You can publish articles, write letters of complaint, you can picket the IRS buildings, you can form your own half-assed political party--none of which can subject you to prosecution. You just can't refuse to pay your taxes based on a theoretical legal theory that has been settled for almost 100 years.
You want to teach children the truth--teach them that no one likes paying taxes, but that there is not a civilized country in the world in which taxes are not imposed.
Buck Harmon
9:32 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012
We are referring to income tax specifically here Kathy...not taxation in general, and I'm pretty sure that the reason that you can't provide the law that I ask for is because it does not...in fact... exist. Our children deserve to be taught the truth about such grey issues. There is a reason that they are left in the grey zone, un clear and mis understood. These perceived laws that effect so much of our personal lives , and the economy should be at the top of the public education process, yet they do not even seem to exist. Our children should never be taught to succumb to "the system", but should have the opportunity to at the very least learn the truth. To shelter them by promoting the illusion would be bad parenting in my opinion.