Ethically correct? Really??!!

"The Carroll County Democratic Central Committee (CCDCC) has filed a formal complaint with the Carroll County Ethics Board"

" SHOCKER"

Good job, Patch! A much more complete job than what we saw in another venue this morning. That said, a point of clarification: the draft policy regarding county employees' use of public buildings was not approved last week. It was tabled until next week to allow for public comment.

Using county and taxpayer resources to promote personal religious beliefs. Using taxpayer funds to conduct an anti-climate change seminar in Baltimore County and then charging Carroll residents and taxpayers $25 to attend. Using taxpayer funds to file a lawsuit on redistricting to protect Susan Krebs job, funds that should come out of the Republican party coffers. Using taxpayer funds to pay a lobbyist to represent them in Annapolis, a job the county delegation is being paid to do. And the list goes on. Aren't these all ethics violations and abuse of power? It seems this Board of Commissioners is ethically and morally challenged.

Sue Krebs recently wrote an article whereby she said that the Goernor O'Malley's redricting recently passed by the Maryland General Assembly is wrong for Carroll County, what is right about the new redricting boundry lines may relly be right because maybe, this is the ony way to get Sue Krebs out of office, She says in the same article that Carroll Countains have better repesentation now from a delegate who lives in Carroll than have another delegate who represnts and lives in another county than Carroll. Dont believe a word of this . Krebs is for Krebs period.

I second your motion David

Kym, could you link a copy of the draft policy here so that people may form their own thoughts on it and perhaps let the commissioners know how they feel about it? If you don't have it, I do and I'll be happy to share it.

"Occupy Patch Mob" LOL

Wow....the "Occupy Patch Mob" seems to be on the Patch payroll....I'm trying to be understanding of your frenzy....I guess when 45% of YOUR OWN PARTY votes for a convicted felon over your boy in the WH, and 25% vote for OTHER in another state primary, you gotta scramble....and fast.....I'm donating soft aloe coated Puffs to the Occupy Patch Mob for November....you're gonna need em....now go back into your tents and start blogging away....

JoAnn, what are you talking about?

Therefore, the Commissioners should not have anyone email county employees and invite them to a Christmas party (Winter Celebration?). And if so, employees better attend for their job security. Is this really where the "Occupy Patch Dozen" chooses to focus all there energy. Have they moved on from MileageGate?

Don't you know why the poll is so slanted? The only democrats in Carroll County are on Patch! LOL

Opps.....there appears to be a snag in the case against the Carroll County BOC.....EBurger has given you all reason to think.....I know it's difficult but just try.....bet you all play a lousy chess game....LOL!!! Good Luck Occupy Patch Mob....November comes closer day by day......

I sure hope that President Obama did not email Carroll County about his recent proclamation of a National Day of Prayer.

When right-wing extremists like Nicholls have no facts to back up their claims, they turn to name calling and personal attacks. A predictable Republican strategy in Carroll County. These folks never let the facts get in the way of their distorted thinking.

Scared of me Iacono??? How funny a member of a mob which occupies every Patch publication calls me an extremist.....Francis Fox Piven would be so proud of you now....She might even buy you a pair of earrings which pull your lobes down to your toes...LOL!!

Joann scores another victory in the debate wars: she sure represents the We The People style of civic engagement and their vision for a Christian government. A real poster child. No doubt to be toasted at Legends Cafe by her chipper chums in their next T party gathering. Well done--defrosted appetizers for all!

FRIEDHARD.....I'M NOT AFRAID TO ROLL IN THE MUD WITH THE PIGS!!! TRIED BEING NICE AND SHOWING YOU THE ARTICLE IN THE CONSTITUTION BUT WITH THE OCCUPY PATCH MOB IT ISN'T ABOUT NICE....ALL OF YOU HAVE BUT ONE AGENDA......SLANDER....LIE....INTIMIDATE......SMEAR.......INDOCTRINATE.....So sorry but many of the citizens are on to you......this win IS NOT the Tea Party, but the ability to inform and remind citizens of the body of law that sets the guidelines government must follow.....the Tea Party doesn't care which party achieves two things.....live within your means and honor the oath you take....sadly many, even Republicans have failed miserably because of intimidating big mouths, like you....sad that one has to stoop to your level to get their views heard...I'll take your pies to save my country any time, any day, anywhere....

Hey folks, thanks for weighing in. It looks like perhaps there's an article to be written about political party tensions in Carroll County, and perhaps how the internet/anonymous posting plays into that :) That said, I can tell people are starting to get passionate (personal) in these posts and I just want to remind you that Patch will remove personal attacks and inappropriate posts, not that any have been posted in this thread yet. Try to keep your comments focused on the topic of the article. I know people get offended when I have to remove comments and I would like to avoid offending any Patch users.

The last time I checked, we have freedom of religion and freedom of speech in this country. We also each can make our own decision whether to accept invitations to parties, meetings, and, yes, even a prayer meeting! It is not wrong to issue an invitation to a meeting, even if something as taboo as praying is involved. Commissioner Bartlett-Frazier has done nothing wrong.

Yet again, we see many missing the point. If supervisory personnel in any private business were to send an email to all employees informing them of, and inviting them to, a prayer meeting that is clearly sectarian, the cries of discrimination would be loud and fast. And, that business would have no defense against a discrimination claim. A public employer is really no different. As many have said, this board of commissioners seems to feel it is above current law, and seeks to change those with which it does not agree. From open meeting laws, to promoting one religion over another, etc., etc., etc., they feel they can adhere to only those laws and regulations that fit with their narrow mindset. I am a registered Republican and am truly ashamed of their actions.

perhaps you'd best read the Constitution....the first amendment was designed specifically for one to freely believe and practice ones faith without interference....AT ANY LEVEL....If at a business, a group of employees willingly engaged in a religious practice, on their own time and the business made efforts to prohibit that act, that is a Constitutional violation of the first amendment...READ THE CONSTITUTION...And READ THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS LIKE THE FEDERALIST AND ANTI-FEDERALIST PAPERS...ALONG WITH THE BILL OF RIGHTS!!! And last time I checked, I didn't notice to many cries from employees of religious discrimination when they cashed their Christmas bonus checks or attended their annual Christmas party with the open bar and catered H'orderves...

Sorry, JoAnn. You're clearly not familiar with employment law, and regulations of the EEOC. I am. Maybe you ought to brush up on the laws and regulations that govern what goes on in private business before you comment.

Dear Concerned Citizen....the LAW is the Constitution.....Instead of being so pompous...why not copy and paste what you site right here for debate....I can no more as an employer control or dictate what an employee wishes to do with their religion on their own time then the man in the moon....
The First Amendment states the following:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise there of; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_First_Amendment_mean_to_Americans_today Concerned Citizen is a typical American who believes that if a regulation states something...THAT'S IT....ENGRAVED IN STONE....well, I've got news for the EEOC, there is a growing number of attorneys who respect the Constitution, and they have formed not for profit law firms, which fight government regulations and abuse that have thus far gotten away with murder of the Constitution....and they will take on a case and fight it all the way to the nine robe bench if needed...AND THEY ARE WINNING...

JoAnn, again you're stepping into areas you do not understand. Please see the below links. Cases have been brought to court, and won, based on the employer's support of one religion, deeming it discrimation against those who do not adhere to that particular religion. Also, proselytizing, if allowed or supported by the employer, can likewise result in a charge of discrimination. What Ms. Frazier is doing can certainly be consideredk proselytizing.

The consitution does not govern the private workplace. Period. While private employers are not bound by the Constitution's restrictions on government, they are subject to federal and state laws that ban religious discrimination in employment. This includes creating of a hostile work environment by supporting one religion over any other.

http://www.hrhero.com/hl/articles/2008/10/24/eeoc-offers-employers-guidance-on-avoiding-religious-discrimination/

http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/qanda_religion.html

ONCE AGAIN THIS IS NOT ABOUT FORCING ONE RELIGION!!!!!NEVER HAS BEEN ABOUT THAT!!! IT IS ABOUT THE OCCUPY PATCH MOB ACCUSING ROBIN FRAZIER OF PRAYING ON GOVERNMENT PROPERTY UNDER THE ABSURD PREMISE THAT HER ACT SOMEHOW VIOLATES ANOTHER! WITH ANOTHER BELIEF OF INTIMIDATION!!!! If you folks believe that this is what the Constitution says, GOOD LUCK TO YA!!!! She hs done nothing to violate another's belief in her actions and I ask YOU to prove where she has done so....Equally "CONCERNED CITIZEN" no employer can dictate NOR prohibit an employee from exercising their free right to practice their religion on their own time....Now, if you don't mind, I am not on the Patch payroll and I have to work for a living....In addition, I wish to celebrate the life of a family member who died in combat to allow this debate to continue...See you all next week!!! happy Memorial Day to everyone here and at Patch...and for those who served, my deepest and sincere gratitude...

Sorry, JoAnn, but it is about forcing one's religion on others. When someone in a supervisory position encourages, invites, recruits, her employees to join her, it is assumed she her acts are coercing, and therefore, that the employer (regardless of its agreeemnt with the supervisor's acts) condones and allows it. Again, proven again and again in courts of law all over the country. Furthermore, no one has said that individual employees cannot, or should not be allowed, to pray on their own time, at work. It is the institutional establishment of one particular religious belief foisted upon others that is wrong, and has also been upheld by numerous court decisions, and therefore codified. I also find it amusing that you would call anyone else "pompous". Your posts are the very definition of that trait.

There seems to be a lot of assumptions and exaggerations being thrown around. Frazier is coercing, discriminating and trying to convert others?; it's a Prayer Group! Many large companies and corporations (including my own) allow many types of prayer groups and bible study. Not sure if they are invited by management, but many include all levels of management; with no discriminatory issues. Maybe if a county employee invited everyone and Frazier chose to attend; that would satisfy the few on this blog. Wishful thinking.

To date, the Commissioners have been very successful at one thing....opening cans of worms that in no way will benefit the citizens at large in Carroll County.
How will this elected government official sponsored prayer time benefit the taxpayers of Carroll?
How will all County employee's of all religions possibly be able to attend these sessions?

Prove it Concerned Citizen....Prove that she forced her beliefs on others....YOU have that burden to prove.....and if you do not, you will not only lose, you will go down as are all the other progressives who are trying to intimidate someone from exercising their first amendment right....GOOD LUCK TO YA!!!!

Funny how someone who is a "concerned citizen" and claims to be a "Republican" is so outraged about someone who is clearly within their constitutional rights. praysin a public building with WILLING participants...... yet NOTHING, ZIP, NADA of the same outrage to that NC teacher who was audio taped by a student for threatening him under an arrest if he even dared say anything negative about her president after she wrote on her chalkboard that the assumed GOP opponent was a "bully".... She ought to know....Is that pompous enough for ya???? LOL!

(CCDCC) has filed a formal complaint , this should say it all. As of yet no employee has complained about it. They have been after her since she got there and i'm sure that will not change. Let them huff & puff all they want, I bet if she wanted to plant a tree outside the building they would have no problem with it. Let the Witch hunt continue.

Ok, I think we've beat this dead horse into the ground. So we disagree, it ain't the first & it won't be the last. Let's find something else to debate & put this one to bed.

I think Concerned Citizen is correct. Do you remember Frazier's endorsement the last time she was elected? No rec games on Sunday morning. She seems to think every citizen goes to church on Sunday. That's a bit short-sighted, but then again, this is Carroll County politics.