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Poll: At What Level Should Carroll County Fund Education in FY14?

Patch highlights the arguments for and against different funding levels. Weigh in on our poll or in comments to let us know how you want to see education funded.

 

Funding education has been an explosive topic in Carroll County for the past several months, heating up the past few weeks as education forums and town halls have been held all over town by both the Board of Education and the Board of County Commissioners

Carroll County Public School Superintendent Stephen Guthrie presented his proposed FY14 budget in December and the Board of Education recently adopted the budget

In FY13, the county funded the school system at $164.9 million. The Board of Education is requesting $166.6 million from the county for FY14, a $1.7 million, or approximately one percent increase over FY13.

During last year's budgeting session, the commissioners allotted $164 million for school funding in FY14. 

Then, there is the required state minimum funding level, or Maintenance of Effort (MOE). With declining enrollment in Carroll County schools, projected to continue for the next several years, some argue that the county should fund the school system at MOE. If funded at MOE, the school system would receive county funding in the amount of 160.9 million, a decrease of $4 million from FY13. 

Advocates of fully funding Superintendent Guthrie's proposed budget point out that the school system has already made $20 million in cuts over the past five years and 155 jobs have been cut. Guthrie said in a recent meeting that his proposed budget does not address what the school system needs, just what will fulfill some of the state and federal mandates that have been neglected in the past few years. 

Those that advocate for funding the school system at less than the proposed budget and MOE say that the economic crisis is being felt everywhere and the school system should make cuts just as other organizations, businesses and government entities are doing. 

So what do you think -- how do you want your Carroll County Commissioners to fund education for FY14?  Tell us in comments or weigh in on our poll. 

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  • At what level do you want to see Carroll County government fund education in FY14?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • I think the county should spend what the school system needs to be great, more than the proposed $166.6 million.
        15 (34%)
    • I think the county should fully fund the Board of Education's request for $166.6 million.
        26 (59%)
    • I think the county should fund what it budgeted for FY14 last year - $164 million.
        0 (0%)
    • I think the county should fund at MOE, or $160.9 million.
        3 (6%)
    • Other, tell us in comments.
        0 (0%)
    Total votes: 44
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: Board of Education, Carroll County commissioners, FY14, Maintenance of Effort, School Funding, and education funding FY14

Leslie Frei

5:30 am on Wednesday, March 6, 2013

The return on education is undeniable. People tend to stay "where they grew up." If these folks have strong educations, they are likely to keep higher standards of living, better jobs, higher tax brackets, etc. If we lose sight of providing a strong foundation for future community members, we risk spending more on crime and punishment. It is a very real situation. Look at other school districts across the nation that don't put money into education....they have higher crime rates and many people leave their communities. The strongest communities are the ones with education as a top priority. MD ranks #5 overall in the nation because we've traditionally been a state that strongly funds education. If these counties continue to lose the support of their commissioners (Frederick is in an even worse boat right now with their BCC), then our state will slip toward the middle of the nation. If that is okay for our children, start saving your tax dollars now because the jail will need to get bigger and the good jobs will begin to move on out!

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JoAnn Nicholls

7:04 am on Wednesday, March 6, 2013

Fund at MOE. all those teachers and public school employees and any citizens who have no problem paying more taxes can electively pay a school tax voluntarily and they'll have their money...I am extremely dissatisfied with the public school system as a whole and want another way for people who agree with me to have other options in the way of a voucher system.

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Dan Rogers

3:24 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013

JoAnn, What exactly is your problem with the school system. You need to provide specifics if you expect your message to be taken seriously.

Leslie Frei

8:59 am on Wednesday, March 6, 2013

Well after the showing of the community at the board meeting the other night, it would appear most people in the county are very satisfied with the public education system. So because a few marginal people are afraid of a system that obviously works (top 10 percent across the nation), then we should stop everyone else from reaping the benefits?

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Erica

1:43 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013

Carroll County has the best schools in the state because we give our schools what they need to be the best. I see on a weekly basis the good things that the teachers and staff at my kids school do. We cannot afford to lose our great teachers to other counties. It seems to me that the majority are in agreement that the school systems's budget should be fully funded. The will of the people should not be denied. If our county commissioners do not fully fund the budget I will make it my mission to join forces with other Carroll County residents and parents who are in agreement with me and do whatever is necessary to ensure that the commissioners are replaced during the next election. They were voted into their positions by people who trust them to do what we want them to do. If they cannot or will not do that then we the people will find commissioners who are willing to do what we ask of them.

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CoreyWilt

3:48 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013

Absolutely not one penny under $164, preferably what Mr. Gutherie is asking for! I don't know how much more info Mr. Roush could possibly need. The citizens have spoken, we want our education system funded at the level requested! It's good for business, it's good for our kids, and if it doesn't happen, there will be at least three more people in the county (besides media clerks and kindergarten assistants) looking for new jobs.

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Bud Nason

4:05 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013

1. The story's lead statement is factually inaccurate: the Commissioner forums were 2-man presentations; the other Commissioners were excluded. (More Commissioners would have required that the forums be official meetings, with minutes kept, recorded and broadcast for general public viewing and comment, etc.)

2. The Community College meeting was packed with and by the teachers' union and its members; no surprise, they all advocate full funding. But to say that the "marginal" speakers are "afraid of a system that...works" is inaccurate to the point of disingenuousness. Given what they're tasked with, our teachers do a great job. No, any fear is of costs spiraling out of control, especially given the current deepening national and local economic climate.

3. Like it or not, we're broke -- at all levels of government. The "Salad Days" were fun but they're over; it's no longer possible to fund everything, for every one, all the time. Our steadily declining school population tells us that there are fewer and fewer taxpayer households to fund fewer and fewer students -- at ever-increasing per-pupil cost levels. That's unsustainable.

Taxpayers aren't just taxpayers; they're customers. If they perceive rising school (tax) costs to be out of line with the perceived benefit, they'll take their "business" elsewhere. Then the teachers will follow, and eventually you're left with a wealthy teachers union -- and an empty education system. Is that what we really want?

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Kym Byrnes

9:12 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013

Thanks for your input Bud. For the record the forum at Carroll Community College was hosted by the Board of Carroll County Commissioners (all 5), which is what is suggested in the lead. According to county commissioner agendas, there were at times more than just two commissioners attending the Around the County in 80 minutes meetings as well. I stand by the accuracy of the lead.

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Kelli Nelson

10:42 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

Thank you for replying Kym. EVERY Commissioner participated and spoke at the Forum, clearly outlining their thoughts.

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Dan Rogers

3:26 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013

Bud, Once again you are making a petulant rant. I was there along with many of my friends who are not associated with CCPS. It's time for you to just pack up and move to PA.

Erica

4:17 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013

So because enrollment is declining the rest of the student population should suffer? I won't accept that. My children, all Carroll County children deserve better than that. The commissioners can cut somewhere else in the county budget...I'm sure if we dig deep enough there is waste somewhere...we are talking about gov't here, we all know there is waste somewhere. The school system has sustained cutting $20 million over the last 2 years I think they have cut their fair share.

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Voice of Reason

6:14 pm on Monday, April 22, 2013

Well Danny Boy you are just a fool about getting people out of Dodge aren't ya cowpoke?? Maybe you should hitch up your training pants and get out..............

Buck Harmon

5:55 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013

It would seem that Carroll students have been taught to learn early in their curriculum.
This could be the key to extremely efficient teaching later in the curriculum. Students that have been taught to learn actually simplify the education process.
May be a good idea to focus on improving the curriculum to save on the cost to educate....early learning being the focus.

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Buck Harmon

5:58 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013

Equal participation from the home environment in early years should somehow be made mandatory, and a part of the curriculum as well.

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Locke

8:22 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013

Buck,

I agree 100%. Early and active parental involvement in your child's education is essential. This needs to be encouraged.

The amount of parent volunteers involved each and every day in CC schools is remarkable.

Catherine Shoup

9:46 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

It is simply logical that funding at the minimal allowed by law (a law which was enacted to stop places like Baltimore City and Prince Georges from gutting their already broken systems - is this the bar and the examples we want?) will result in minimal results! Our children deserve more than the bare minimum. If you are unhappy with the schools, you don't gut them in order to have a voucher, you work to improve them. We moved here because these schools are as good as private schools elsewhere. My children, our educators, and the entire county deserve better. Keep your miniscule, self-serving tax grab (and in fact no one is asking for a tax increase) and fund the schools at the requested amount. Which -- by the way -- was approved by the same County Commissioners last year! They are going back on what they already agreed to! AND the county has a surplus so there is no reason to take out your knife and start surgically removing parts of our children's future. SHAMEFUL.

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Buck Harmon

10:18 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

Seems to be the way of Carroll Catherine...lowest standards are even applied to most citizens largest life investment..their home. Carroll County has been developed by the way of thousands of plastic shacks built to minimum code requirements...lowest standards allowable by law. It has been the unfortunate trend over the past 25 years..
When you settle for the worst dollar value allowable by law what can you expect?
Developers love it though.

Catherine Shoup

11:57 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

Bud, no one has mentioned raising taxes so I take issue with that scare tactic. But the overwhelming majority of people in this county are involved with the schools in some way -- either as parents, educators, or benefactors of the educated workforce which results. We are customers, and taxpayers, and we expect to get what we pay for. Nobody is asking for a refund. But I don't pay taxes so that I can go and fight with Commissioners over a plan which was approved a year ago, giving up time with my children and family along with thousands of other residents of our county. Its unconscionable.

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Alissa

12:42 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013

The commissioners have proven themselves to be less than knowledgeable about the many issues about which they choose to speak. Forgive me if I have little to no confidence that they know what they're talking about with regard to our education system. I also don't believe for a second that the commissioners have any regard for Carroll County's school children and their families. We are simply pawns in their irrational rants against anything perceived to be "liberal." So, we'll suffer (as will everyone else when the county is no longer a beacon for decent families coming here for the educational system) so that the commissioners can stick it to the teachers' union, the State of MD's educational requirements (Common Core), etc.

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Kelli Nelson

9:05 pm on Thursday, March 7, 2013

Alissa and others - I think at least two of the Commissioners spoke (in several arenas) in support of the school system and full funding of the CCPS budget. One of my greatest concerns is that two of the Commissioners threw up a slew of slides that had all sorts of inaccurate data/statistics.

For example: Comm. Rothschild asserted that too many students needed remediation when entering college, specifically Carroll Community College. However, upon further review (and verification from the college), less than 6% of the entering Freshman need a developmental course to help them at the college level. So, to imply that CCPS is handing out a "counterfeit" diploma to our students or that kids are graduating and can't read, is simply irresponsible and disingenuous at best!

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Alissa

7:45 am on Friday, March 8, 2013

Kelli, I'd love to be wrong about the commissioners and hope that if two of them are actually on the side of our students and schools, then they can help the others get on board!

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Kelli Nelson

7:56 am on Friday, March 8, 2013

Right now it appears (and from their public remarks Monday night) that Commissioners Shoemaker & Howard are in support of the proposed CCPS budget, while Fraizer & Rothschild are NOT. Commissioner Rousch is the "unknown" at this time. Will be important to watch them all closely over the next two months!

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Lisa Kelly

1:02 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013

The bottom line is whether you have a child in the school system or not, the schools are part of our community. They are helping mold our future citizens, the ones that will "take care" of us down the road. Do we really want to shortchange that? At the very least, consider the school system an asset. When it's time to sell your house or your mother's, prospective buyers consider the schools, the crime rate and affordability. Let's keep Carroll County Schools on top.

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