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Martin O'Malley is the Governor of Maryland. He writes a regular blog for his official website.

The NRA: Drowning out Marylanders

By Zoe Pagonis, Director of Digital Strategy

The majority of Marylanders, including many responsible gun owners, support common sense legislation to prevent gun violence. But the PR wing of the NRA, lobbyists for gun manufacturers, and others who want to block any and all gun safety ideas would have you to believe otherwise. For weeks, they’ve been spreading falsehoods and using scare tactics to mislead Marylanders.

They may be shouting louder, but Marylanders know better. Here are a few of the voices that have been drowned out by the NRA propaganda machine.

They are joined by many organizations including:

MSEA
Maryland Police Chiefs
MD State Conference of NAACP
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Psychiatric Association
Advocates for Children and Youth
Baltimore Jewish Council
Central Maryland Ecumenical Council
Marylanders Against Gun Violence
One Million Moms 4 Gun Control
Maryland Network Against Domestic Violence
Maryland Center against sexual assault
Women’s Law Center
Unitarian Universalist Legislative Mission of Maryland
Ecumenical Leaders Group

And thousands more Marylanders across our State

This blog is posted on 49 sites throughout Maryland. Join the statewide conversation in comments! Find other Patch sites here.

Steve

12:21 pm on Friday, February 8, 2013

The NRA members are easily duped. The NRA doesn't care about gun rights or their members. The NRA just cares about the NRA. JUst ask Alan Gura and the 2nd Amendment Foundation (SAF).

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Mike Francis

12:12 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

That may or maynot be true Steve, but I sure don't see SAF listed in the above list compiled by Zoe Pagonis (which is a good thing). You seem to have something against the NRA.

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Matt

12:12 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

The NRA had very little to do with organizing the rally, it was mostly local organizations.

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C.Z. Guy

11:58 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

Oh so I guess we're just a bunch of bumpkins who don't know any better. That wasn't the NRA on Wednesday, it was thousands of Marylanders taking the day off, losing a days' pay, protecting their rights. The dupes are the ones who blindly allow government to take away their rights because they won't get off their collective rear-ends. I guess you think that we were all wearing camo and chewing tobacco as we waited. Why don't you lay out your arguments rather than the shameful ad hominem attack you make?

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Freedom

11:58 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

The fact is the NRA effectively defends our constitutional rights better than any other grass-roots organization of its kind.

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Giselher

11:58 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

Who is Alan Gura? The SAF web site has NO mention of him.

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Steve

6:38 pm on Monday, February 11, 2013

No but I think inviting the nut jobs from InfoWars was a nice touch. (and I still don't have any idea what pictures of dead fetuses have to do with the pro gun movement)

RW Willy

12:13 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

Duped? You mean the sheeple of Maryland? Got it.
The NRA speaks very clearly, and their members endorse the message.

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ddbs00

12:12 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

Great, so the government's Department of Digital Propaganda is trying to out propaganda the propagandists. I'll believe the government is concerned with anything other than its own agenda when its legislators listen to their constituents rather than play chess on their laptops.

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Native

12:12 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

Oh please. It has been proven that none of the "officials" that have shown up to the town halls & proposed bill discussions have any idea what is even in them. Even the poll numbers are suspect since the questions aren't divulged. The record high numbers of pro second amendment supporters that have attended the townhalls & were in Annapolis the other day really took the administration by surprise. This whole charade is nothing more then feel good, kneejerk reactions that try to take advantage of a tragedy, in order to further the elimination of the God given rights of gun owners.

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Steve

11:50 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

The Town Hall Meetings are a joke. They are attended by a bunch of angry, old, white men behaving badly.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-02-06/news/bs-ed-reimer-gun-control-20130206_1_gun-issue-gun-ownership-town-hall

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circadia

1:46 pm on Monday, February 11, 2013

Steve, stop being a troll. I attended the recent town hall meeting in Baltimore City and I'm not a white man or old or angry, nor did I or anyone that I saw behave badly.

Martin Joseph Kalister

12:12 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

If you can convince me that a 4 year old created that poster by HIMSELF, just maybe i might believe the rest of your propaganda.
The NRA was not in Annapolis Wednesday, those were the people that elected you to represent them. They spoke of their own free will, something you have yet to tax.

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Chuck Burton

12:12 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

I notice that most of the groups listed are ones that would seem to have a vested interest in reducing the freedom to resist authority - their own, at least. 'Nuff said. I am not an NRA member, past or present, by the way.

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Andy

12:12 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

We haven't had a good governor in my lifetime. Many of my friends went to testify against his bills. A few of them are good, but its ridiculous to think any of these laws would have saved a single life in Sandy Hook. It only takes 1 second to reload a gun. I'm not and NRA member and I don't have extended mags or AR-15's. Connecticut has the 2nd-4th toughest laws in the nation and it did nothing. Timothy McVeigh used easily obtainable products to kill 168 people, including 19 children. Criminals cannot be stopped, only law abiding citizens can be hindered. We have statistical proof that shows violent crime on islands went up dramatically when guns were taken away and went down significantly when reintroduced. Why? Because criminals didn't have their guns taken away. The police are a great deterrent of crime, but will rarely be there when you need them so I need to be able to protect my family.

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JustABill

12:12 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

Oh my .... stop the presses! ... So just to be clear here Zoe, you say there are at least 15 known groups that have a long standing record of support for Democrats and the progressive liberal agenda along with thousands of other Marylanders (registered democrats perhaps) across our state that support the Governor's unconstitutional gun control legislation. I am shocked! ... Shocked that this is newsworthy or even blog worthy.

I guess since you work for the Governor it is OK for you to make false claims that the NRA's propaganda machine was drowning out these thousands of people supporting the Governor when in fact it was a large representation of real tax paying Maryland citizens that oppose the Governor's attempt to usurp the Constitution with legislation that will have no positive affect. The sad thing is just as you are ignoring the majority of Marylanders who are against the Governor's gun control legislation they were also rudely ignored by the Senators that were too busy playing chess on their computers to actively listen to their 3 minute long testimonies.

So just to make sure I am perfectly clear with the facts here, when a large group of actual hard working Maryland citizens come out to oppose the Governor's legislation they are really just a cog in the Conservative propaganda machine but when a large group of paid union members are bused into Annapolis (sometimes from out of state) to support the Governor they are just concerned Marylanders?

Seriously?

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Mike Francis

12:12 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

Zoe Pagonis is a professional paid spin doctor and digital windbag for Martin O’Malley.
I'm a lifelong Maryland resident and an NRA member and I am against the current gun control bills being pushed thru the Maryland legislature. Zoe Pagonis would have people believe that anyone that doesn’t support the current crop of gun control bills being pushed thru the Maryland legislature is a victim of propaganda. On the contrary, I believe that the current bills are poorly written, are just plain stupid, will prove to be ineffective in the area of public safety, and a slap in the face to law bidding Maryland gun owners. Spin doctors like Zoe Pagonis have been dragging out the vague and meaningless expression “common sense gun control legislation” at every opportunity for twenty years.
Count me among "and others who want to block any and all gun safety ideas would have you to believe otherwise.", because I believe they are stupid and poorly justified idea.

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Mike Robinson

12:12 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

The current gun legislation goes too far, regardless of what the NRA says. Vote No.
A criminal background check for gun purchases is not unreasonable, but SB 281 goes too far and is too extreme.
• Regarding safety, a safe citizen is an armed citizen.
• Regarding fairness and power, an empowered citizen is an armed citizen.
Politicians should address the sources of crime, not the results of it.
Bring the people legislation that addresses:
• The drug trade
• The mentally ill
• The culture of violence
Bring us legislation that protects the liberty of law-abiding citizens.
Vote against the current gun legislation.

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tony hausner

12:12 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

please sign up to attend rally on March 1 10:30 a.m. in Annapolis to support gun safety. see link below. Last Wednesday, there was a 20 to 1 ratio of NRA supporters to gun safety supporters. Everyone needs to come to support gun safety. This is the day when the house holds its hearing on the firearm safety act. Also, please sign petition on take action page of the site.
http://www.marylanderstopreventgunviolence.org/March1

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Mike Francis

1:06 pm on Monday, February 11, 2013

Tony Hausner

You are delusional. Real gun safety requires firearm safety training. Why is it that the ignorant manage to redefine the expressions used in the English language. I''ll be sure to be in Annapolis as a counter to you and your ilk.

jerry

12:12 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

You people don't understand the problem is not the guns it'd the mentally ill people that been foisted on the public because the states don't want to treat and house them.
This stupid gun registration proposal would only apply to the 98 per cent of law abiding citizens.
Let's get to the crux of the problem and not glaze over it by passing feel-good legislation on joe and jane citizen.
People kill people - not guns

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KatieSilverSpring

12:12 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

Marylanders ARE the NRA, not the other way around. This is an incredibly biased piece where balance isn't even attempted. It's nice that the writer is listed as "Director of Digital Strategy" but for transparency's sake, it would be more accurate to have led with, "Gov. O'Malley's" Director of Digital Strategy.

Preventing gun violence begins with reexamining HIPAA and its deleterious effects on families of the mentally ill trying to get institutionalized help for them. Preventing gun violence has NOTHING to do with stripping citizens of their 2nd Amendment protections (the 2nd Amendment protects us against government). I do not find it coincidental that the American Psychiatric Association is on this list of organizations aligning themselves with "majority of Marylanders".

Review the mass killings of late and you will notice a pattern of mentally ill slaughterers lucid enough to find locations where gun-free zones keep them from being stopped.

Stop fueling this for the purpose of a political platform from which people like the Governor want to move into more national a spotlight. This is a serious issue that needs to be stripped of political agenda. Put the light back where it belongs, on groups like those who have fought to deinstitutionalize the ill.

And stay out of our gun racks.

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K B

12:12 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

Do any if the anti gun grabbers realize in Maryland, we already have background checks, 30 rd magazine bans and heavy restrictions against automatic weapons? Tell people the truth and teach the facts, then conduct a poll!

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Buck Harmon

12:12 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

The NRA generates funding that is used to help keep out of control government from intruding into the private lives of law abiding American Citizens...I'm not a member, but I do recognize the critical role that it plays to checks and balances....balance would be in the direction of a solution to most problems associated with failed, out of control government intrusion..

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Buck Harmon

12:12 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

What is meant by "voices that have been drowned out" ?

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Frank Plummer

11:58 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

Could care less what The NRA thinks this about the fact that over 3000 Marylanders showed up in Annapolis to dispute and to oppose SB 281 the Maryland gun ban bill as written. For the first time in Maryland history the Maryland Senate building had to be shut closed sit to the overwhelming response in opposition to this bill. This is the will of the people and the Governor now wants to detract from that fact.

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jag

1:46 pm on Monday, February 11, 2013

Huh? Look at the polls - "the will of the people" is clearly and strongly in support of O'Malley's common sense measures. Claiming a few hundred people at an organized protest accurately represent the whole of Maryland is laughable.

C.Z. Guy

11:58 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

Gov. O'Malley's legislation is anything but common-sense. It is a draconian gun grab that tramples the rights of honest, law abiding citizens and gun owners. Gun owners from across Maryland showed on Wednesday that actions speak louder than words when thousands showed up at the Maryland Senate to voice and some waited up to 9 hours to speak for 3 minutes in front of the the committee. I waited 5 hours just to sign in for the chance to speak, which I didn't get as the hearing shut down at 9pm. These were individuals who took the day off work, some travelling great distances, not the mouthpieces of groups like you list whose job it is to testify at these hearings and get speak first because Sen. Frosh sets up the hearing that way. Individuals standing up for individual rights. Actions speak louder than words - I didn't see overwhelming numbers of members of those groups you mention, just their mouthpieces. We aren't done either. We will be there when this legislation is taken up in the House of Delegates. Your NRA characterization is way off base. We're louder because there are more of us willing to take a stand against the tyranny of the powerful few in the MD legislature. It's not about some skewed telephone poll, it's about who shows up. Thousands of us gave up a days' pay because it is that important. All of those bigwigs showed up with their armed security details, but want to deny us the right of self defense. It's not about hunting and target shooting,

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SES

11:58 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

It's a crying shame that the leaders of this country have their hands tied and become sitting ducks when it comes to doing what is right. Citizens of other countries have been laughing at us for years.
We just can't get our act together as a unified nation who is supposed to look out for the health and welfare of its citizens. NRA is as bad as Congress ! It's times like this that make me ashamed of being an American, republican or democrat.

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Mike Francis

11:58 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

Oh yeah, drag out the NRA Boogie man to justify your unnecessary gun legislation. I really have a difficult time believing anything that comes out of the governor’s office.

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hawkeye

11:58 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

Google SB281; you'll be amazed at the restrictions in that proposed bill. This has nothing to do with "support(ing) common sense legislation to prevent gun violence". It has everything to do with taking firearms away from law abiding citizens.

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JustABill

11:58 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

Can someone from The Patch please explain to me why my post is still "Pending Approval" 24 hours after I originally submitted it?

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Buck Harmon

11:29 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

Copy it...change 1 word and re post..

pistachio

11:58 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

I am not an NRA member, a lobbyist, or even a gun owner, and yet I disagree with O'Malley's proposals. There were thousands of protestors in Annapolis who took time off from work to show that average people are against the proposals, and the response is to call them liars and shills?

Using propaganda against your citizens is unacceptable. I know that many of those who support gun ownership in Maryland are not supportive of O'Malley, and I'm sure that is frustrating to him, but that isn't a reason not to show even a modicum of respect for their concerns. There are others, like me, who are left-leaning conservatives who support the governor's administration on other issues. To see any constituency treated like this outrages me, we all have a responsibility to maintain civil discourse and respect for one another.

We can have a dialogue on gun ownership that does more than dismiss the opposition. We can discuss our mutual concerns, identify our needs, weigh the consequences, and proceed from there. O'Malley wants us to believe that his opposition isn't worth listening to, and that makes dialogue impossible.

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circadia

11:58 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

What O'Malley's proposing is the opposite of common sense legislation. He's focusing on rifles, which are used in less than 1% of gun homicides in Maryland (2011 Maryland State Police Crime Report) and only about 3% of gun homicides nationwide (2011 FBI Crime Report). He wants to ban rifles with resizable stocks and vertical grips, even thought those things have no effect on the functionality of a rifle and are, in fact, features that allow for better fit and control of a rifle during competitive and recreational target shooting.

He wants to further reduce magazine sizes, which would effectively make smaller, more concealable handguns more prevalent. A small magazine size would also be dangerous for home-defense. Is ten bullets enough to defend yourself and your family if violent criminals break into your home? I don't think anyone can or should make that judgment call for anyone else.

O'Malley also wants to fingerprint legal gun owners. Why? How would that put a dent in crimes committed by illegal gun owners? The only way a database of fingerprints might help is if we fingerprinted every citizen. He wants to charge fees that would make owning a firearm cost prohibitive for lower income people.

What he doesn't want to do is put a stop to criminals plea bargaining down to lesser charges. What he doesn't want to do is increase sentences for violent offenders. O'Malley: tough on law-abiding citizens; soft on criminals.

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Chuck Burton

11:29 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

I oppose Mr. O'Malley's gun bills, but I want to point out that having a gun (guns) in the house is seldom a good defense of one's property. Do you want to carry whenever you are at home? Unless the weapon is on you, it is useless if someone breaks in, as shown by incidences when police have broken into homes without clearly identifying themselves. Homeowners who went for their weapons have been gunned down by officers, just as they would have been if the invaders were criminals. If one hears noises during the night and has time to arm oneself before searching for an intruder, just be sure it isn't grandma or your daughter before you open fire. People have died that way, too. But remember, the do-gooders really want to take away your right to defend yourself or your family, as shown by the Zimmerman-Martin case.

NR

11:58 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

There are a lot of Marylanders who do not support the NRA but also do not agree with the legislation presented by the anti-gun lobby. Don't make the mistake of lumping us all into the same pot. Many Marylanders have been fighting hard for the right to carry, and don't want to see that effort being fruitless. I don't like the idea of the state telling me what I can or cannot own. I was born and raised in Maryland, and have seen it become a nanny-state in the worst way. And I have always considered myself a liberal Democrat. And I'm not alone by any means. So when you say Marylanders "know better", exactly what do you mean? If we know better, then why don't you trust us to make our own decisions?

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Chuck Burton

1:06 pm on Monday, February 11, 2013

Liberal democrat does NOT mean socialist! Someone should notify Obama and O'Malley!

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sp0t

1:05 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Chuck,

Obama and O'Malley (and their policies) are not even remotely close to anything resembling Socialism. Someone should take the time to understand the philosophy and it's aspects before using the term incorrectly. Obama and O'Malley are left-leaning moderates at best and this is reflected in nearly all of their policies. Educate yourself before you regurgitate outlandish and inaccurate claims.

Echo

11:58 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

Pointing to every supporter of the second amendment and accusing them of being shills for the NRA is very weak. As a Marylander I do NOT approve of the proposals being brought by Governor O'Malley. They will not bring any end to violence because they do not address the real issues of mental health, poverty, general crime and the punishment of criminals. Instead they try to put the blame on law abiding individuals and saying citizens cannot be trusted and must be disarmed. This bill will make it impossible for future generations to exercise their second amendment right. Every object can be used for either good or bad, you blame the individual for the way he uses that object, not the object. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Governor Martin O'Malley is also saying we are all guilty until proven innocent by making us require licenses for our rights in the US Constitution.

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Dale Klonin

11:58 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

Just goes to show Our Governor doesn't care about what the people are saying. 4000 people show up to testify against the assault weapons ban, 600,000 emails sent in opposition of the ban, but still he clings to this idea that the majority of Marylanders want this. O'Malley's majority either doesn't care or doesn't exist. The majority of what I have seen says the people of Maryland don't want this bill.

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Steve

11:50 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

It wasn't even close to 4,000.

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JustABill

6:38 pm on Monday, February 11, 2013

As posted and ignored by Steve on another article...

Steve there were over 1500 cars parked at Navy Marine Corps Stadium and lets assume those cars had an average of 1.75 people in them. There were at least 20 charter buses parked there after dropping people off that were not part of the shuttle bus service. Assuming they were not all completely filled we will say they had 45 passengers in each. That gets us to 3525 without even counting the cars parked in surrounding parking areas. Funny how simple math is so complicated for liberals.

Now I have to ask, since you seem to be so sure who was or was not there, were you there?

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Chris W

10:51 pm on Monday, February 11, 2013

For liberals, 1+2= 4 because they assume they are getting the rest from your pocket.

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sp0t

1:05 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Chris W,

So are the oil, coal, and gas companies that receive billions of dollars in subsidies and pay little to no taxes "liberal" because they are taking money from our pockets? What about members of congress like Paul Ryan who gladly accept social security assistance when they are eligible and then demonize the program once they cash their check? As far as I can tell the people who receive the most money "from your pocket" can hardly be considered liberal organizations or individuals. Educate yourself before you make such silly claims.

Bob Jefferson

11:58 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

Not the NRA, people from Maryland who would like a real solution to gun crimes, and want to keep their right to protect their family.

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Hays

11:58 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

What common sense legislation are you referencing? What violence will it prevent?

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Freedom

11:58 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

You and your anti-freedom legislators drowned me out on the 6th by not giving me a chance to present my testimony! The fact that you could turn out only 2 grass-roots supporters, compared to the thousands who showed up against, made it all worthwhile!

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Giselher

11:58 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

Instead of mere allegations, why don't you put some details as to what these "lies" are?
By the way, it is absolutely untrue that the NRA " want to block any and all gun safety ideas". Ever heard of the "Eddie Eagle" program?

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jerry

11:29 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

The Patch seems to be a Liberal lap dog for the Administration (regime) in Annapolis.
Do you think you could have been a little "fair and balanced" in this article.

Great response from the majority of people who want less of O'Smelly and his hench men!
(I'm sure they'll be a fee for what ever he (O'Smelly) rams down our throat in the way of dictates. He can't enough of other peoples money.

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KGardner

11:29 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

For a number of years Maryland has restricted the ability for legal gun owners to defend themselves with equal means of the criminal elements found in this state. Common sense would show that the opposite should be tried for a period of time to see the effect on crime. I for one recently moved here from North Carolina, where crime is lower, and as Senator Cruz pointed out to the Baltimore County Sheriff during Senate hearings, Crime in Dallas, and Austin are 3x and 10x lower than that in Baltimore. Why do you think that is? I know my answer, criminals are punished, and law abiding citizens are given the opportunity to stop the first crime from happening, Criminals are lazy, they look for easy targets, if you make the risk to them so great (aka allowing concealed carry, and firearms that can hold more than 10 rounds) that they will ether seek other sources of income, go to jail, or be made a reduced threat to society by their intended victim. If you really feel this anti rights bill would solve crime, then the day it goes into effect the police no longer need AR15s in their patrol cars, or Glocks on their hips. Im sure they will have no issue carrying a book of laws as a sidearm, and a stern voice as a bulletproof vest.

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Nick

11:29 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

If the patch is intent on publishing this drivel, they may as well publish statements from Wayne Lapierre. Zoe Pagonis is nothing more than O'Malley's puppet. Paid to distribute propaganda in digital format to further his draconian agenda. She is not balanced in any way and while I am not an NRA member, I am certainly glad they exist to balance out people who would employ the very same tactics they so vehemently decry to further their own liberal agendas. I find it shameful to exploit the tragic death of children to perpetrate this kind of knee-jerk legislation whose real goal is to further our governor's national aspirations. O'malley could care less about the people in this state or their wishes; he is simply a power hungry politician and the constituents in Maryland are just a means to an end.

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Brian Hooks

11:33 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

Nick, this is a blog post submitted by the Governor's office. It is an open platform for anyone with something to contribute to the political conversation. If you want more conservative, libertarian, or centrist viewpoints, then you should ask the leaders for those groups to blog. All are welcome, but we can't force anyone to blog.

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KGardner

6:38 pm on Monday, February 11, 2013

Brian, where does one submit a blog?

Sanchez

11:50 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

These are the tyrannical hoplophobes making law.

"We avow the First Amendment. We stand with that and say that people have a right to have a gun to protect themselves in their homes and their jobs, where, and that they -- and the workplace and that they, for recreation and hunting and the rest. So we're not questioning their right to do that." Nancy Pelosi

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1ke

1:06 pm on Monday, February 11, 2013

Go ahead, Mr. Whiner, and do what Mr. Hooks suggests. You could become a blogger and stun the reading public with your profound thoughts wrapped in readable expository prose.

Think of all the respect you would get and the possibility of supplementing your income.

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sp0t

1:05 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

I tuned that lunatic out back when he equated the Secret Service with Nazis. His claim that more guns will lead to less gun violence is even more ridiculous. Whatever land people like LaPierre come from appears to be devoid of nearly all logical thought. If there were any validity to LaPierre's recommendations or claims he probably wouldn't have to BS to get his point across.

Sanchez

11:50 am on Monday, February 11, 2013

If we law abiding citizens must purchase and qualify for a license to buy a firearm with a background check and fingerprinting, then that license SHOULD be also a LICENSE TO CONCEAL CARRY if so chosen by the purchaser of the license.

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Sanchez

1:06 pm on Monday, February 11, 2013

"Support Growing For Former L.A. Officer Accused Of Killing Spree"
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/02/08/support-growing-for-former-l-a-officer-accused-of-killing-spree/

It’s hard to believe but there are those out there who sympathize with the man targeting police officers.

One Facebook page is proclaiming Dorner for president. “We propose electing a man who could no longer sit idly by and watch as malicious tyrants abuse the innocent.”

The description on “We Are All Chris Dorner” chillingly says, “Yes, this is war.”

Nearly 3,000 people like the page “I Support Christopher Jordan Dorner.”

CBS13 posted a simple question: Why? Why support a man wanted for at least three killings and the author of a murderous manifesto promising to target cops?

One sympathizer wrote us, “Because something needs to be done about the long known corruption of not only the LAPD, but several agencies.”

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KGardner

6:38 pm on Monday, February 11, 2013

To those who believe the NRA isnt pro gun safety, I ask you to please check your facts, The National Rifle Association provides training on the safe handling of firearms, for people of all ages. The problem you seek to solve is not with those legal, responsible, gun owners, but rather with the criminal fringe of society that have chosen to not use a crow bar to break into your home, but instead use a gun as their tool of crime. Why dont you anti gun rights folks ask yourselves why violence is lower in areas where more citizens have legal guns, are able to defend themselves individually away from their homes. Why dont you support stronger sentencing for the criminals who commit crimes? why is it the same group of people who submit themselves as great community leaders and humanitarians only speak up to deal with gun violence when 20 children die in a school in suburban Connecticut get killed. Meanwhile, the NRA, other gun groups, and individuals who seek safer streets for all of us, as a long term effort have been asking for the right to make the criminals job harder so that all people can walk our streets safely, not just those who live in affluent areas of a New York Suburb. Our philosophies are different, you believe that by disarming those that obey the law, the lawless will follow suit, we believe that disarming the public leads to the types of violence we see in DC and Chicago. We have real world evidence,can you point out a city where gun bans have reduced crime?

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Brian Hooks

6:54 pm on Monday, February 11, 2013

KGarnder people can apply (pretty much anything that is not a blatant ad or slanderous will be accepted) here: http://glenburnie.patch.com/blog/apply

There is this same application page for all Patch sites.

Steve

6:38 pm on Monday, February 11, 2013

That was a nice Town Hall meeting on gun control that the Lt. Governor held on Google+ this morning.

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Sheeple

10:51 pm on Monday, February 11, 2013

No matter how many are against it, they know what is best for us for example, Obama Care

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amark

10:51 pm on Monday, February 11, 2013

Isn't MD's motto the Free State? What a joke with the clowns running it. The NRA is the bad guy because they oppose Owe'malley's gun grabbing while the "progressive" lobbying groups (i.e. unions, enviromentalists, trial lawyers, etc) are pure as the driven snow. I hold my breath every year from January to April to see what more harm they will do to this state.

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Steve

10:38 am on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

I kinda feel sorry for the poor Sheeple that give their money to the NRA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7cWv0qmIhjk#!

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Just a guy

10:38 am on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Man, you all make me LOL...

First on Towson Patch and now here...

Here are some of my thoughts. The NRA isn't about the members. It's gets much less than 1/2 it's funding form member dues. The rest comes from gun manufacturers. The NRA opposes background checks, yet a poll of memebrs shows 80%+ in favor. They oppose anything that would lower gun sales. Face it, they are a lobby for the gun manufacturers... They just happen to do member things on the side.

There seem to be a bunch of people afraid (of govt's, baddies, almost everything...), that the government will try to enter your house, and think having something like an AR15 will stop them. Ever see a Bradley, or Abrams, or Longbow in person? They also think the "gubment" is made up of bad people. The police, the armed forces are made up of people that would not follow or carry out those orders. You need to get over yourselves. It's paranoid. This isn't 1930's Germany, we have free press and the internet, and that just won't happen. And your AR15 wouldn't stop them if they did.

If the object is to keep guns out of the hands of the baddies, background checks on ALL SALES and registration of ownership are tools. Neither of which infringe on on the right to bear arms. But you have to proscute the people that get guns to the baddies.

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Sanchez

2:23 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

The 2nd amendment supporters know the steps in history to confiscation. Registration/licensing then confiscation. History proves that to be true.

Now they hoplophobes are calling for registration/licensing. the next step is apparent. There is nothing paranoid about it. California is talking confiscation. Others have broached the topic oh so lightly knowing the blow back that will come with it.
If one forgets history we will repeat it.

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sp0t

1:06 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Sanchez, I hate to say it but what you're suggesting really is paranoia. While their are some who believe in confiscation we still have a form of government that will make it very unlikely for such a measure to become law (not to mention that pesky 2nd Amendment that appears to have an infinite number of interpretations). Neither the president, nor congress (as a majority) has proposed anything resembling confiscation, or even. You can speculate and play "what if" all you want but ultimately you're only going to come off as delusional at best.

Just a guy

10:38 am on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

I am NOT worried about a law abiding, mentally stable people owning anything short of machine guns and SAM's. Banning some types of guns isn't the answer, nor is how many bullets it fires.

But if you think that arming everybody won't have a big body count, you better think again. It will take a while before all the real idiots kill each other, and it will be pretty messy until they do.

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Chuck Burton

12:24 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

They are already trying. There's a lot of attention on Chicago, lately, but look at slummy areas of almost any major city, and see much the same level of gang activity and violence - Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington, Kansas City, Oakland, Los Angeles, New Orleans... Much the same story everywhere.

KGardner

12:24 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Steve, and Just a guy. How do you explain why gun crimes are lower in places with less restrictive gun laws, we dont have to go far look at Virginia, look at Richmond, how did they clean that town up? 10 years minimum if you were found with a gun illegally, and became a shall issue state and allowing people to carry a concealed firearm for defense with a permit and it wasnt the wild west. What is your explanation? As far as fighting the government and this isnt 1930's Germany, I dont think anyone (credible) is arguing that, but isnt it just as paranoid to think that everyone with a rifle needs to be charged exorbitant fees because less than 1% of guns are used in crime?? As far as fighting back against the supurb technology of the government, while I dont support the latest So Cal Ex LAPD officer (who was pro gun control I might add) he did prove that individual members of the government cannot be trusted anymore than any citizen can be, and that even using drones to support the search, he has eluded police.
Cliff Notes: Steve and Just a guy explain why states with more citizen friendly gun crimes have lower crime and cite examples. These must be Domestic because America is unique as is every other nations culture.
Explain why police should be allowed to keep firearms such as the AR15, in light of the situation in California?

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Steve

2:23 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

" How do you explain why gun crimes are lower in places with less restrictive gun laws..."

They're not. 7 out of the top 10 "Most Dangerous Cities" are located in states with lax gun laws.

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Chuck Burton

2:23 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Police are citizens, too, and should not be above the laws that pertain to civilian citizens. They are just as apt to violate laws as anyone else. See, for example the off duty Baltimore officer who gunned down a marine, in civvies. And they are subject to misjudgements, as the California officers who shot up two innocent women showed, just the other day. Allowing them to go armed, but not civilian citizens, promotes fear of authority, which seems to be what certain "liberal" elements want.

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Sanchez

3:21 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

"7 out of the top 10 "Most Dangerous Cities" are located in states"

The issue is states overall violence not the cities where most of it is anyway. What a failure of intellect to confuse the two.

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KGardner

5:18 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Steve, you deflected, try to answer the question asked...c'mon bud you can do it.

Steve

2:23 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Yes, she's on anchor in NYC. What's you point Bonehead?

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Jay Levy

3:56 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

The NRA is the largest terrorist organization in the United States. Why? Because they are dead set against the U.S. signing an international treay controlling the sales of small arms which today, can be bought by just anyone or any group.The treaty would control mass sales of small arms to groups like Al Quaeda, the Taliban, various mujahadeens, Al Quaeda in the Mahgreb, etc. Thus the NRA favors arming these terrorists and is, in and of itself, a terrorist organization.

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Chuck Burton

4:23 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Why should the US sign such a dumb treaty? So China, Russia, Ukraine, Venezuela, etc. can enjoy the business for themselves? The US government sells arms to other nations which often seem to end up in the hands of the people you name. Maybe we should recognise the US government as a terrorist organization.

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Sanchez

9:24 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs! Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs!

CP

3:56 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

To any police officer that supports this. We turn our backs on you.

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Jay Levy

5:37 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Chuck asks why the U.S. should sign onto a treaty banning indiscriminate sales of arms on the international market. Simple, It will take the U.S. into a world leadership role of preventing terrorists from easily gaining access to weapons. If we lead by example, why wouldn't the rest of the arms producing nations not follow?

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Chuck Burton

9:24 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Do you really think the nations I mentioned, as well as a good number of others will follow the lead of the US, if we were so foolish as to try to "lead by example", as mentioned? Haven't we had enough of trying to be world leaders? Where has it gotten us, except increasing paupery? We were once the wealthiest nation on Earth. but now we keep sliding down the list, because we keep trying to buy the world's love. Where has it gotten us?

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Kongo

4:42 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

What a ridiculous argument, Jay Levy. I'll tell you one reason why arms producing nations, which includes just about everyone, won't follow the US. Money.

Jay Levy

11:32 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Chuck, now that you've focused on the U.S. "trying to buy the world's love," may I offer you some facts on how untrue your statement is. By causing millions of deaths in Vietnam, not to mention hundreds of thousands more of civilians in Iraq and elsewhere, that's a mighty bad way to spread love. As far as how we spend our money abroad, the U.S. ranks almost last among all industrialized countries in per caput foreign aid spent to help others. In fact the annual expense for the U.S. Peace Corps is less than the annual budget for U.S. military bands.Your overall message here is that we would be wrong to" lead by example" when it comes to helping solve the world's major problems. What a sad thought that by assuming world leadership in efforts such as leading the fight against climate change, the rampant spread of weapons, world hunger, etc.the U.S. would be "foolish."

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Chuck Burton

2:45 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Just saying it would be useless.

CP

1:54 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Missouri Democrats Introduce Legislation to Confiscate Firearms – Gives Gun Owners 90 Days to Turn in Weapons.

The stupidity continues.

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Steve

4:42 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

LOL Stupid is right. Another one fooled by Dana Loesch.

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Sanchez

5:28 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Steve 4:42 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013 "LOL Stupid is right. Another one fooled by Dana Loesch."

http://www.house.mo.gov/billsummary.aspx?bill=HB545&year=2013&code=R
HB 545
Makes it a class C felony to manufacture, import, possess, purchase, sell, or transfer any assault weapon or large capacity magazine

http://www.house.mo.gov/billcentral.aspx?pid=26

Insert bill number 545. Educate yourselves. I am sure the source linked will be slurred and dismissed and the denialsand belittling will continue.

Chuck Burton

2:45 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

They haven't heard of the 4th Amendment? That would be unConstitutional unless compensation was given. Could MIssou afford it?

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Kongo

4:42 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

To all these gun control do-gooders: firearms and gunpowder are never going to be uninvented. Pandora's box was already opened. You just have to live with it.

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AG

12:47 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Steve, you are friggin' clueless. NRA is so powerful because there are so many people who believe in freedom. You democRAT lemmings follow what your leaders tell you. You say the talking points, you think the NRA is strong because of PR firm, and you vote for crooked people like O'Malley, ignoring his land deals, school board screw-ups, and his adulterous affairs.

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Just a guy

11:24 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Somebody is deluded. The NRA isn't as powerful as you might think. In the last election cycle, the NRA got a ..01% return on the money they invsted in candidates. A pretty shabby result.

As for exactly who supports the NRA, member dues account for about 1/3 of the NRA income. The other 2/3's comes from gun manufacturers. So who do you think the NRA is really supporting?

That said, banning guns is really pretty stupid and nieve. It can't and won't work. But closing the gunshow loophole and universal background checks in NO WAY infringes on the right to bear arms, and yet the NRA which once supported the checks, is now against it. Go figure.

Steve

3:16 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

The NRA is pretty far out there. Now the President of the NRA is appearing on a 9/11 conspiracy theorists radio show to espouse another conspiracy theory that the United Nations is out to confiscate American's firearms.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/02/19/nra-president-appears-on-9-11-truthers-televisi/192716

Armed Nutcases!

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Jay Levy

11:24 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

To the argument that the NRA somehow is about "freedom,", I agree that it is definitely is...about the freedom of gun manufacturers to peddle their wares not only in the U.S., but also around the world, all without interference from we who are demanding reasonable accountability for those responsible for spreading there products which can take lives so easily. Freedom indeed!

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ZIG

6:11 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

I am a USMC Veteran. I was an expert rifleman. We learned to handle our weapons with the utmost caution. We were not allowed to have personal firearms or ammunition on the base unless specifically authorized (MPs). Private citizens should not have weapons of war. Many law abiding citizens own firearms and they are competent and safety minded. The NRA is beholden to the industry and is dangerous to our country. They espouse sales of some of the most dangerous types of weapons. Kids and others continue to die.

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Buck Harmon

6:48 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

With a liberal owned media the NRA only adds balance to the debate...you can't ZIG and ZAG when it comes to the Second Amendment...try as you may it just won't work..

KGardner

6:48 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

Zig, thanks for your service. As an expert marksman, how many AR15s did you use in your active duty service in the Marine Corp? I ask because I was under the impression that the Marines used automatic weapons, which the AR15 is not.

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FIFA_archived

9:00 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

Expert marksman in the military don't qualify with their weapon using the automatic mode. If you served, you would know that. Using the automatic mode with an M-16, the AR-15 equivalent with a different selector switch, the 20 round magazine would be empty in 3 seconds requiring a reload....

ZIG

3:55 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013

Weapons used by the military are unsuited for many civilians' use. What I used is not relevand. The NRA does not add balance. The 2nd amendment does not give universal rights to all weapons just as the right to travel does not give the right to drive a car to everyone. Ignorance of the background of the 2nd amendment has led to a lot of problems. The NRA is dangerous due to their radical propaganda.

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KGardner

9:26 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013

Zig respectfully it is relevant because you insinuated that we have weapons of war, that is not accurate. By not answering or avoiding the question I assume that you concede the AR15 is not a military firearm. Also re the "right to travel" in the constitutions bill of rights does not grant the right to travel or drive. Where as the right to own firearms is a guaranteed right., you can always travel, you can walk.

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ZIG

7:21 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Kids die. I am tired of this blog. I do not dare to dicuss individual weapons. NRA is un-American. Good bye. I am not coming back here.

KGardner

10:52 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

More die from other things than the rifle in my safe. It's a shame that an expert marksman won't share his knowledge. The NRA supports the second amendment, which is uniquely American, I respect your opinion sir, but your facts are simply inaccurate.

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Chuck Burton

1:15 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Good point! Maybe we should ban the automobile - it kills far more people each year than guns do. True, it has more utility than a gun, but the gun's utility is in what it can, not must do. Otherwise police would carry clubs instead of guns.

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