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Commissioner Frazier Defends Transportation Choices

Commissioner Robin Frazier received criticism after recent mileage expense forms were made public.

Carroll County Commissioner Robin Frazier, responding to publication of county commissioner and employee mileage expense records, said that she has made "appropriate and cost effective choices" in her transportation decisions.

Patch blogger and a founder of the citizens group Citizens United for Carroll County (which is now known as Carroll County Watchdog) questioned travel expenses submitted by Frazier in a recent blog post. He supplied copies of reimbursement forms and checks that he obtained from the county through the Public Information Act.

In an email to Patch, Frazier defended her choices to use her personal car versus a county car and to seek reimbursement for mileage to county functions. 

"It is true this board voted to eliminate our per diem as we lead by example and given the fact we cut most director's salaries by five percent," Frazier said.  "I do not get mileage for driving to and from work, however there are many days I drive home from work and then back to Westminster for an evening meeting."

Frazier said that county cars should not be used for personal business. 

"I do not think county cars should be used for personal use," Frazier said. "It is very rare that I am not picking someone up or stopping by a meeting for which I sit on the board, running to the store, catching part of a volleyball game..."

According to Frazier, the cost is essentially the same to the county whether she uses her personal vehicle or a county vehicle.

"If 45 cents covers fuel and wear and tear on the car, and that's less than what I was given per mile in the private sector by the way, the cost to the county is the same whether I drive my car or the county pool car," Frazier said. "Except when I drive my car I am not actually wearing out the county's inventory."

"I believe my choice regarding transportation to and from county related business is the most appropriate and cost effective choice," Frazier said.

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Judith M. Smith November 9, 2011 at 08:06 pm
Is there going to be a "do over" on the expense reports somewhere???
Bonnie Grady November 9, 2011 at 09:56 pm
Probably not, Judy, particularly since they eliminated the internal auditor position. This bunch just thinks the rules don't apply to them.
Bonnie Grady November 11, 2011 at 07:14 am
It will be verrryyy interesting to see what the other commissioners have to say about all this. You have to wonder if they know she's been padding her $45,000 salary to the tune of around $22,00 a year. (Based on an average $1,800 monthly expense check.) Something tells me "the boys" aren't going to take too kindly to that! Particularly Howard since he campaigned on not taking travel reimbursements!
withavengeance November 12, 2011 at 01:35 pm
@Watching: You have a problem with the term 'Watchmutts'? Do you have a problem with the term 'teabaggers', also? Not name calling...spoofing. Y'all can dish it, but you can't take it.
lynne November 12, 2011 at 05:24 pm
I found this interesting quote from the baltimore sun:
"Mrs. Gouge has earned herself the reputation of being a big spender. Each and every voter should be informed of the following: In 1988 the three commissioners turned in expense accounts as follows: John Armacost -- $763.50; Jeff Griffith -- $821.25; Julia Gouge -- $3,574.58. In 1989: John Armacost -- $2,609.91; Jeff Griffith -- $1,674.65; Julia Gouge -- $3,843.84. In 1990: John Armacost -- $157.87; Jeff Griffith -- $1,243.06; Julia Gouge -- $2,961.81." "Big Spender" Gouge's expenses for the entire year of 1990, adjusted for inflation, were ~$5200. I was unable to find the annual salary for 1990 but in 1989 it was $22K.
David A. Grand November 12, 2011 at 06:38 pm
Your point being, that Frazier having alledegedly padded her travel expenses isn't worth investigating, because of past coommissioners' annual, expense accounts? I hope you don't mean to imply that.
lynne November 12, 2011 at 07:18 pm
My point being that, though her spending was a fraction of Frazier's, Gouge was labelled a "big spender" and has been maligned by those on the current board. Ironic.
Friedhard November 13, 2011 at 12:44 am
Does she attend the Church of the Open Door or the Church of the Open Till?
Wearedoomedcc November 14, 2011 at 06:52 am
@Judith, in most instances where employees use personal vehicles for Company Business, the employee would have to produce a Certificate of Insurance naming the Company as an additional insured on the policy in case of an accident, etc.
I can bet she (or any of the commissioners have done this).
romeo valianti November 14, 2011 at 04:09 pm
Ms (prayers) Fraizer should be brought before the Ethics Commission for actually cheating on her mileage allowance . She should know that that being paid for commuting miles is a benefit and being paid for those miles should be reported on her IRS W-2 wage statement as income. I certainly also believe Frazier should resign her position as a Commissioner as she has too many negatives in her portfolio.
romeo valianti November 14, 2011 at 04:42 pm
As the former Chairman of the Board Of license Commissioners (liquor board), we had an inspector that used his own auo which was approved the day he was hired, he was paid mileage allowance from the office to his job. He was never reinbursed for mileage from his home to the office . The Commissioners told us that he must use a county automobile for his inspections and not use his personal car. We figured that it was more expense to use a county car than reinburse him for his business miles. We protested this method vigorously without any satiisfaction to the board. Frazier can use her own car receive 45 cents per mile as others only receive 19 cenrs per mile or us a county car. Other than politics this is called a double standard. It also says "DONT DO AD I DO DO AS I SAY" Frazier is always talking about volunteers working for the county, it seems like she ought to start volunteering herself instead of getting paid for everthing she does personal or for the county. Carroll County is ready for Chater Govenment Now because Goverment is surely not working now with five County Commissioners at the reins .
David A. Grand November 14, 2011 at 05:08 pm
No Romeo, this is not Juliet, but another old warhorse, who was glad to learn that there's someone still above the grass older than me.
romeo valianti November 14, 2011 at 05:26 pm
David Grand. I miss the best Internal Auditor the county ever had, Mr Bill Burton and may God bless his sould .
WatchingInMtAiry November 14, 2011 at 06:25 pm
I don't think I've ever called you or your WTP folks teabaggers...go back and check. So it's name calling when you don't agree and a spoofing when you agree. Just like Frazier, there is definitely a double standard here WaV. I'm going to call out hypocrisy when I see.
WatchingInMtAiry November 14, 2011 at 06:34 pm
By removing the internal auditor, this BoC is telling Carroll County to "Trust Us"
Trust us, we have governing principles. Trust us, we dislike government as much as you do. Trust us, we hate the same people you do. Trust us, we'll show Annapolis. Trust us, we'll show those fuzzy-headed liberals. Like Ronald Reagan told the Soviets, "Trust, but verify." An internal auditor would have verified Fraizer's over charging rate of 45 cents per mile. An internal auditor would have verified Fraizer's over charging in going from home back to Westminster. An internal auditor would have stopped this back in January.
withavengeance2 November 15, 2011 at 07:24 am
Ye gads...can we move on now? Sheesh!
Friedhard November 15, 2011 at 02:39 pm
Yes, WA2, some people would like this topic to disappear because it reveals a very inconvenient truth about the ethics(or lack thereof) of our commissioners.
withavengeance2 November 15, 2011 at 03:39 pm
I just hate reading comments that are so one-sided. So. Move on already!
romeo valianti November 15, 2011 at 03:55 pm
Frazier says she does not like to use a county auo for personal use , what is a difference when receiving pay for personal mileage than using a county car. Same difference Frazier, Wake up and smell the roses commissioner.
WatchingInMtAiry November 15, 2011 at 04:34 pm
What you call one sided, I call a consensus. Now if Comm Frazier would agree and return the taxpayer's monies, we could move on.
withavengeance2 November 15, 2011 at 04:57 pm
Yeah, a consensus among the usual suspects.
WatchingInMtAiry November 15, 2011 at 05:28 pm
withavengance
4:29pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011 I heard that EVERYONE at the county is looking at this today and is DIGUSTED!! This is a slap in the face for so many of us. Especially commssioner Frasier who oughta be ashamed.
Judith M. Smith November 15, 2011 at 10:40 pm
I think that there is a lot of sentiment about the morality along with the illegality about this issue...perhaps the amount of actual money may be small...but I sure would like the cash in MY pocket that some on the Board are getting...oh...and AT my expense...
WatchingInMtAiry November 15, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Sound familiar WaV?
withavengeance2 November 16, 2011 at 06:30 am
You 'heard'? I for one detest gossips.
Friedhard November 16, 2011 at 11:33 am
^your self loathing must be a great burden.
WatchingInMtAiry November 16, 2011 at 11:38 am
WaV - you are joking right? That was a direct quote from you.
withavengeance2 November 16, 2011 at 03:01 pm
I don't think so, WIMA. I am withavengeance2, NOT withavengeance. Looks like a 'usual suspect' has hijacked my online handle and left off the 2. No surprise there. Based on my past comments, do you REALLY think I'd say that? LMAO!
So I reiterate what I SAID: 'You 'heard'? I for one detest gossips.' @ Fried: look in a mirror lately?
Bonnie Grady November 18, 2011 at 02:59 am
Does anyone else see the glaring problem in the above article, where it says that Frazier said the following: "It is very rare that I am not picking someone up or stopping by a meeting for which I sit on the board, running to the store, catching part of a volleyball game..." So on top of cheating taxpayers by getting 45-cents a mile for using her own vehicle even when a county vehicle is available, by her own admission, she is ALSO getting mileage for running her personal errands on her way to and from home and the job that we are paying her to do. Does she think the taxpayers don't know what she's doing? Does she think county staff doesn't see it? She can't be that dumb!!!
withavengeance2 November 18, 2011 at 05:15 am
So what, Bonnie....is she supposed to run home & get her car, then run to the COB to get THAT car...etc., etc., all in the same night? How do you know that she charges mileage to CC for her own car for a volleyball game or whatever??? Please, gimme a break. Please tell me you've never, ever cheated on your income taxes or run a red light or been busted for speeding. Do you even have a company car? I did & I knew it's proper use. As does Ms. Frazier. I am..so..sick..and..tired..of..you..people! You don't live in the real world! Obviously, you've never even had a company car nor signed an agreement as to its use, else you would understand all this. I'm a retired professional...I know.
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Kym Byrnes (Editor) June 10, 2013 at 05:14 pm
Congratulations graduates! May you be as successful in the next part of your journey as you were atRead More St. John School.
Artemus Gordon April 9, 2013 at 02:39 am
I don't live in your district and I am not a member of your party. I have watched you during yourRead More meetings with the commissioners and you handle things very well. You have a balance of private and public sector experience which is a necessary background to have to guide the county. It will be nice to have a competent person with your qualifications to run against someone who is totally unqualified but never had any opposition in the last election. Now she will have to attend the voter forums and explin her views and positions. Let the chips fall where they may. The emperor will have no clothes.
romeo valianti April 12, 2013 at 11:26 pm
Wow, this is great news. Hopefully, 1 down and 4 to go!! Make sure Frazier shows up at theRead More political forums this time. She chose to miss every one last time, so she did not have to answer questions on her positions and her horrible record the first time around in 1998-2002. She will try to do that again to get re-elected.
Bonnie Grady April 13, 2013 at 01:19 am
If Frazier runs for reelection in 2014, I hope someone will have the nerve to ask her pointblank, onRead More camera, about her relationship to Roscoe Bartlett. Folks who've been around Carroll County for a while know the answer: there is no relation. She just tacked that on when she decided to run the first time. It may be her maiden name - or not - but she has never bothered to answer the question. She just let folks assume there is a connection, and lots of folks fell for it.